BabaJ

PolyMarvels
Like Alexey said, we are all beta testers at this point with this kind of release.

Actually we are not...only for a small part of the program...that's the part you missed from my post.

There is so much more in Houdini that one can utilize for a wide variety of purposes that simply just works with no issues;
That means, it's not Beta.

kodra
- An actual QA guy
- A person who made probably the best Houdini modeling tutorial online.
- A developer of a quite advanced Houdini plugin.

Only 3 people....you forgot to mention the hundereds that don't even come on the forums because they are busy using Houdini for their own needs, and using the many aspects of Houdini that do work with no issues.

kodra
But of course, it's their own defect, not Houdini's. In the interesting world of software design, the customers are always wrong

In this case yes - there is a difference, like in your case when you continously are harping on the negatives, which are actually in a minority when you compare it to the positives - and I already mentioned that - but you ignore that.

Hopefully this thread gets locked down.

It's one thing to bring up issues, discuss and submit the bugs/rfes if it becomes clear it's not user inexeperience/mistakes.

But then, it's time to move on.

'Users' like yourself though, prefer to keep harping on the negatives repeatedly(and not move on) which serves no one who hopes to come on the the forum and learn something without having to wade through complaints.

Again, hope it gets shut down(these threads that keep harping the same issue) and that I've contributed towards that.

Buddy, while it's great that you are positive, that doesn't mean you are right. When software costs 5000€ you simply cannot go with that logic. There is a reason why studios don't switch to latest releases just like some artist cannot afford to switch due to instability of the software and bugs. I am getting crashes all around, even when saving, or opening new files etc.. That is unacceptable and no amount of positives can justify that. Try to say that to your client. Also SideFX is not bound to any release dates so they can afford extra time to polish the software but for some reason I guess, financial, they don't do it. I don't know how they test software internally but obviously not enough QA staff as I know many that reporting issues simply because they love the software and want to see it thrive, myself included.
We all love Houdini, but at some point one has to admit that some things are just not justifiable, like so many issues in this release.

BabaJ
It's one thing to bring up issues, discuss and submit the bugs/rfes if it becomes clear it's not user inexeperience/mistakes.

Don't start talking about bug reports. No matter how hard you try, many bugs remain unfixed. Regarding discussions on the forum, when I created a thread about the instability of Houdini 20, many people were discussing and complaining about Houdini's issues. After a few days, the discussion ended because a moderator wrote, "We heard you, please continue sending reports," and closed the thread. This is not normal!