How to create a double-sided material in Karma?

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cheesetroyer: Member; 53 posts; Joined: 11月 2016; オフライン

2023年11月30日 11:05

Can someone explain to me how I can create and apply a double-sided material to in Karma?

I found a post on this forum, but it didn't make it understandable for me.


Enivob: Member; 2658 posts; Joined: 6月 2008; オフライン

2023年11月30日 13:05

You'd think the kma_ray_import would offer some type of 0-1 output value you could use to drive the bias on a mtlxMix. Can't figure it out yet. Some way to fetch the sign of the magnitude of ray:direction then remap that into 0-1?

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jsmack: Member; 8173 posts; Joined: 9月 2011; オンライン

2023年11月30日 14:04

Enivob
You'd think the kma_ray_import would offer some type of 0-1 output value you could use to drive the bias on a mtlxMix. Can't figure it out yet. Some way to fetch the sign of the magnitude of ray:direction then remap that into 0-1?

N.I plugged into a greaterthan(0) should do it


cheesetroyer: Member; 53 posts; Joined: 11月 2016; オフライン

2023年12月1日 3:14

Would someone be willing to give a more detailed explanation on how to do this?


Enivob: Member; 2658 posts; Joined: 6月 2008; オフライン

2023年12月1日 17:12

I tried this type of setup, but couldn't get it to work. N.I means reference the ray normal and export it using an integer signature, right?

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jsmack: Member; 8173 posts; Joined: 9月 2011; オンライン

2023年12月1日 22:28

Enivob
N.I means reference the ray normal and export it using an integer

no, it means N dot I, as in dot product of the ray direction and the surface normal


Enivob: Member; 2658 posts; Joined: 6月 2008; オフライン

2023年12月4日 12:32

Getting close with your suggestion. I see some purple, but I need red on one side and blue on the other.

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jsmack: Member; 8173 posts; Joined: 9月 2011; オンライン

2023年12月4日 13:34

Enivob
Getting close with your suggestion. I see some purple, but I need red on one side and blue on the other.

What is the input range of the remap set to? it should be something like -0.000001, 0.000001 to 0, 1 and clamped to simulate a switch. The ifgreater would be a better choice.


jomaro: Member; 106 posts; Joined: 4月 2017; オフライン

2023年12月4日 15:55

I don't know maybe this is the setup you are after?
I think this is not yet supported by XPU

Edited by jomaro - 2023年12月4日 16:10:36


jsmack: Member; 8173 posts; Joined: 9月 2011; オンライン

2023年12月4日 16:27

jomaro
I don't know maybe this is the setup you are after?
I think this is not yet supported by XPU

That node isn't supported in XPU, but it's trivial to emulate it using switches going into a standard material.


Enivob: Member; 2658 posts; Joined: 6月 2008; オフライン

2023年12月4日 17:13

@jsmack I tried the very small range numbers and very large. The greaterif didn't seem to help either.

I just wonder if the ray_import is actually working?

@jamaro Your method certainly works for CPU only render.

Edited by Enivob - 2023年12月4日 17:17:35

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jsmack: Member; 8173 posts; Joined: 9月 2011; オンライン

2023年12月4日 19:15

Enivob
I just wonder if the ray_import is actually working?

hmm, it's possible that's the issue. There are presets in the menu that should work for getting the ray direction though. I recently used it for making a fresnel blend, since one is missing in the factory node set.


antc: Member; 354 posts; Joined: 11月 2013; オフライン

2023年12月4日 19:31

rayimport seems to be working for me with xpu (on Mac OS tho)

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jsmack: Member; 8173 posts; Joined: 9月 2011; オンライン

2023年12月4日 19:43

Working fine here as well.

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Enivob: Member; 2658 posts; Joined: 6月 2008; オフライン

2023年12月5日 8:37

That was it. Thanks, everyone!

I was using ray:hitN instead of mtlxNormal node. I guess hitN is not the same as the geometry normal.

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cheesetroyer: Member; 53 posts; Joined: 11月 2016; オフライン

2023年12月6日 12:24

Thank you guys very much!


LiBoNing: Member; 30 posts; Joined: 7月 2018; オンライン

2023年12月26日 10:37

There's a simpler way other then using 2 rayimport and dot product. You can directly using ray:backface to get a bool. This is listed in the documentation of the rayimport node, but don't know why it's not listed in the drop down menu probably is a bug.

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CalvinJor: Member; 2 posts; Joined: 4月 2024; オフライン

2024年11月4日 23:54

What should I do if I wanna put a roughness or normal texture on it??


alli13: Member; 8 posts; Joined: 9月 2020; オフライン

2024年11月12日 16:48

CalvinJor
What should I do if I wanna put a roughness or normal texture on it??

Just use it as a switch input instead of plugging it directly.


YuRock: Member; 2 posts; Joined: 4月 2019; オフライン

2024年11月17日 8:16

Thanks for the advice, but what if I need 2 different shaders (materials) on different sides, and not just 2 different pictures, colors?

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