Numeric values and middle mouse button on Wacom Intuos

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McFierce: Member; 17 posts; Joined: April 2015; Offline

June 4, 2017 12:20 p.m.

I'm primarily using a Wacom Intuos tablet, and I'm having trouble using the multi-decimal (middle mouse button) pop-out menu on numeric values. I mapped the middle mouse button to the bottom click on my pen, and when I press it in a numeric value input, the pop-out is flickering and inaccessible (video attached). Ideally, I would like to have it working with the pen but if that's not possibe, a solution with the touch functionality of the tablet would be fine too.

I prefer not to use a mouse (RSI), and the Apple Magick mouse us useless anyway. I tried configuring a third mouse button using Magic Prefs, but that's not working for me.

Edited by McFierce - June 4, 2017 12:20:48

Attachments:
flickering.mov (1.4 MB)


anon_user_37409885: Member; 4189 posts; Joined: June 2012; Offline

June 4, 2017 4:46 p.m.

It's working fine here on Wacom 6.3.14-2 driver. I *think* I've seen the flickering with two monitors with different resolutions.


McFierce: Member; 17 posts; Joined: April 2015; Offline

June 4, 2017 5 p.m.

I've tried other options with but no luck. Also, the issue persists on both the built-in retina display on my MacBook as well as with external ASUS HD display.

Not sure if it's a display issue, though. My Wacom driver is 6.3.22-3 and the previous driver had the same problem.

Edited by McFierce - June 4, 2017 17:01:33


anon_user_37409885: Member; 4189 posts; Joined: June 2012; Offline

June 4, 2017 5:08 p.m.

What version of Houdini? Can you post your About Houdini ‘Number of Screens: ’ bit.


McFierce: Member; 17 posts; Joined: April 2015; Offline

June 4, 2017 5:18 p.m.

I'm using Houdini 16.0.628. I tested on my 27" external ASUS screen (closed MacBook) and on the MacBook screen itself (without the ASUS). Both the same issue, even after a restart.

I also tried switching to `Click & Tap` mode for the Wacom pen, but that doesn't solve the issue either.


anon_user_37409885: Member; 4189 posts; Joined: June 2012; Offline

June 4, 2017 5:25 p.m.

Can you try setting ‘Open in Low Resolution’, in get info, in the Finder


McFierce: Member; 17 posts; Joined: April 2015; Offline

June 4, 2017 5:34 p.m.

Same problem, unfortunately. But thanks for pointing that out.

I always went to change Preferences > Global UI Size after switching displays.


anon_user_37409885: Member; 4189 posts; Joined: June 2012; Offline

June 4, 2017 5:37 p.m.

try the QT4 version, then if it doesn't work email support.


McFierce: Member; 17 posts; Joined: April 2015; Offline

June 4, 2017 5:54 p.m.

Downloading as we speak. I'll report back tomorrow.


McFierce: Member; 17 posts; Joined: April 2015; Offline

June 5, 2017 3:09 a.m.

That solved the issue indeed. In the QT4 version, the menu works as expected.

Now I'm wondering though, what's the difference between the standard and the QT4 versions?

Edited by McFierce - June 5, 2017 03:11:33


rvinluan: Staff; 1255 posts; Joined: July 2005; Offline

June 5, 2017 11:28 a.m.

Hello,

There are many differences between the Qt4 and standard (Qt5) builds but for the issue that you ran into the main difference is how high dpi resolution is handled.

I would stick with the Qt4 build for now to get you going but out of curiosity, would you be able to try a few tests with the standard Qt5 build to help us figure out the problem?
- Does the pop-out flickering still happen if you detach the external monitor from your MacBook Pro? i.e. so you only have a single monitor desktop
- Does the pop-out flickering still happen if you switch back to Houdini's “Normal” global UI size? (assuming that you are currently using the “High DPI” ui size).

Cheers,
Rob


McFierce: Member; 17 posts; Joined: April 2015; Offline

June 5, 2017 11:46 a.m.

Hi Rob,

I switched to the Qt4 build and haven't had any problems since. To come to your questions:

- yes, the flickering also happens without an external monitor attached
- I tested with all global UI sizes and the issue persists in every one of them; also when checking the Open in Low Resolution option from the Finder.

I also had problems selecting edge loops. Houdini crashed randomly. Those issues are gone too when using the Qt4 version.

Best,
Wout


rvinluan: Staff; 1255 posts; Joined: July 2005; Offline

June 6, 2017 10:36 a.m.

Sounds like two different issues there.

Can you submit a new bug report for the edge loop selection crash please? Oh, and be sure to attach the crash log to the bug.

As for the flickering issue I'm a bit surprised that the problem persists even without an external monitor attached. Would you be able to attach your Help -> About Houdini info here? I'm curious to see what your system setup looks like.

Cheers,
Rob


McFierce: Member; 17 posts; Joined: April 2015; Offline

June 6, 2017 1:50 p.m.

I'll try to find stable ground on reproducing the edge loop issue.

As for the flickering issue, here are my details:

Houdini FX Version 16.0.628

Platform:                 macosx10.11-x86_64-clang7.3
Operating System:         Mac OS X Version 10.12.5 (Build 16F43c)
Qt Version:               5.6.1

Number of Cores:          4
Physical Memory:          8.00 GB
Number of Screens:        1
    Screen 0:             1280 x 800 at 0,0
    Work Area 0:          1276 x 800 at 0,0

OpenGL Vendor:            Intel Inc.
OpenGL Renderer:          Intel(R) HD Graphics 515
OpenGL Version:           4.1 INTEL-10.25.2
OpenGL Shading Language:  4.10
Detected:                 Intel HD Graphics Consumer (Mac version)
                          Unknown VRAM
                          Unknown driver version

Supported Extensions not in OpenGL 3.3 (Version):
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    GL_ARB_gpu_shader5                      (4.0)
    GL_ARB_gpu_shader_fp64                  (4.0)
    GL_ARB_sample_shading                   (4.0)
    GL_ARB_separate_shader_objects          (4.1)
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    GL_ARB_texture_buffer_object_rgb32      (4.0)
    GL_ARB_transform_feedback3              (4.0)
    GL_ARB_vertex_attrib_64bit              (4.1)
    GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic      

Unsupported OpenGL Extensions used by Houdini:
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    GL_ARB_bindless_texture                
    GL_ARB_bindless_texture                
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    GL_ARB_compute_shader                   (4.3)
    GL_ARB_debug_output                    
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    GL_ARB_program_interface_query          (4.3)
    GL_ARB_robustness                      
    GL_ARB_shader_image_load_store          (4.2)
    GL_ARB_shader_storage_buffer_object     (4.3)
    GL_ARB_shading_language_packing         (4.2)
    GL_ATI_meminfo                         
    GL_EXT_abgr                            
    GL_EXT_blend_minmax                    
    GL_EXT_direct_state_access             
    GL_KHR_debug                            (4.3)
    GL_NVX_gpu_memory_info                 
    GL_NV_gpu_shader5                      
 
OpenGL Limits:
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   ELEMENTS_INDICES                         150000
   VERTEX_UNITS                             16
   TESS_CONTROL_TEXTURE_IMAGE_UNITS         16
   TESS_EVALUATION_TEXTURE_IMAGE_UNITS      16
   GEOMETRY_UNITS                           16
   FRAGMENT_IMAGE_UNITS                     16
   COMBINED_UNITS                           80
   TEXTURE_SIZE                             16384
   3D_TEXTURE_SIZE                          2048
   CUBE_MAP_TEXTURE_SIZE                    16384
   RECTANGLE_TEXTURE_SIZE                   16384
   TEXTURE_ARRAY_LAYERS                     2048
   MAX_COLOR_TEXTURE_SAMPLES                16
   MAX_DEPTH_TEXTURE_SAMPLES                16
   FBO_ATTACHMENTS                          8
   DRAW_BUFFERS                             8
   VIEWPORT_DIMS                            16384x16384
   VERTEX_UNIFORMS                          4096
   FRAGMENT_UNIFORMS                        4096
   VERTEX_ATTRIBS                           16
   VERTEX_OUTPUT_COMPONENTS                 128
   MAX_CLIP_DISTANCES                       8
   PATCH_VERTICES                           32
   TESS_GEN_LEVEL                           64
   TESS_PATCH_COMPONENTS                    120
   TESS_CONTROL_OUTPUT_COMPONENTS           128
   TESS_CONTROL_TOTAL_OUTPUT_COMPONENTS     4216
   TESS_EVALUATION_OUTPUT_COMPONENTS        128
   GEOMETRY_UNIFORM_COMPONENTS              4096
   GEOMETRY_INPUT_COMPONENTS                128
   GEOMETRY_OUTPUT_COMPONENTS               128
   GEOMETRY_TOTAL_OUTPUT_COMPONENTS         16384
   GEOMETRY_OUTPUT_VERTICES                 1024
   UNIFORM_BLOCKS                           75
   UNIFORM_BLOCK_SIZE                       65536
   UNIFORM_BUFFER_BINDINGS                  75
   COMBINED_VERT_UNIFORM_BLOCKS             15
   COMBINED_VERT_UNIFORM_COMPS              249856
   TESS_CONTROL_UNIFORM_BLOCKS              15
   TESS_CONTROL_UNIFORM_COMPONENTS          4096
   TESS_EVALUATION_UNIFORM_BLOCKS           15
   TESS_EVALUATION_UNIFORM_COMPONENTS       4096
   COMBINED_GEO_UNIFORM_BLOCKS              15
   COMBINED_GEO_UNIFORM_COMPS               249856
   COMBINED_FRAG_UNIFORM_BLOCKS             15
   COMBINED_FRAG_UNIFORM_COMPS              249856
   TRANSFORM_FEEDBACK_INT_COMPS             64
   TRANSFORM_FEEDBACK_SEP_COMPS             4
   TRANSFORM_FEEDBACK_SEP_ATTRIBS           4
   LINE_WIDTH_RANGE                         0.125 - 1
   LINE_WIDTH_GRANULARITY                   0.125
   POINT_SIZE_RANGE                         1 - 255.875
   POINT_SIZE_GRANULARITY                   0.125

OpenCL Platform           Apple
Platform Vendor           Apple
Platform Version          OpenCL 1.2 (Mar 16 2017 13:20:18)
OpenCL Device             Intel(R) HD Graphics 515
OpenCL Type               GPU
Device Version            OpenCL 1.2 
Frequency                 900 MHz
Compute Units             24
Device Address Bits       64
Global Memory             1536 MB
Max Allocation            384 MB
Global Cache              0 KB
Max Constant Args         8
Max Constant Size         64 KB
Local Mem Size            64 KB
2D Image Support          16384x16384
3D Image Support          2048x2048x2048

OpenCL Platform Extensions:
   cl_APPLE_SetMemObjectDestructor
   cl_APPLE_ContextLoggingFunctions
   cl_APPLE_clut
   cl_APPLE_query_kernel_names
   cl_APPLE_gl_sharing
   cl_khr_gl_event

OpenCL Device Extensions:
   cl_APPLE_SetMemObjectDestructor
   cl_APPLE_ContextLoggingFunctions
   cl_APPLE_clut
   cl_APPLE_query_kernel_names
   cl_APPLE_gl_sharing
   cl_khr_gl_event
   cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics
   cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics
   cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics
   cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics
   cl_khr_byte_addressable_store
   cl_khr_image2d_from_buffer
   cl_khr_gl_depth_images
   cl_khr_depth_images
   cl_khr_3d_image_writes

Environment:
    ACTIVETAKE                             Main
    Apple_PubSub_Socket_Render             /private/tmp/com.apple.launchd.3jknBvh0eB/Render
    CLASSPATH                              .:/Applications/Houdini/Houdini16.0.628/Frameworks/Houdini.framework/Versions/16.0.628/Resources/houdini/scripts/java/sesi.jar
    DISPLAY                                /private/tmp/com.apple.launchd.xmiIC3ssVW/org.macosforge.xquartz:0
    H                                      /Applications/Houdini/Houdini16.0.628/Frameworks/Houdini.framework/Versions/16.0.628/Resources
    HB                                     /Applications/Houdini/Houdini16.0.628/Frameworks/Houdini.framework/Versions/16.0.628/Resources/bin
    HD                                     /Applications/Houdini/Houdini16.0.628/Frameworks/Houdini.framework/Versions/16.0.628/Resources/demo
    HFS                                    /Applications/Houdini/Houdini16.0.628/Frameworks/Houdini.framework/Versions/16.0.628/Resources
    HH                                     /Applications/Houdini/Houdini16.0.628/Frameworks/Houdini.framework/Versions/16.0.628/Resources/houdini
    HHC                                    /Applications/Houdini/Houdini16.0.628/Frameworks/Houdini.framework/Versions/16.0.628/Resources/houdini/config
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    HTB                                    /Applications/Houdini/Houdini16.0.628/Frameworks/Houdini.framework/Versions/16.0.628/Resources/toolkit/bin
    JOB                                    /Users/wout
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    POSE                                   /Users/wout/Library/Preferences/houdini/16.0/poselib
    QT_MAC_DONT_OVERRIDE_CTRL_LMB          1
    QT_MAC_WANTS_BEST_RESOLUTION_OPENGL_SURFACE1
    SHELL                                  /bin/bash
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rvinluan: Staff; 1255 posts; Joined: July 2005; Offline

June 7, 2017 11:52 a.m.

Thanks for the info.

The reported resolution of your monitor is 1280x800. Is that correct?

Cheers,
Rob


McFierce: Member; 17 posts; Joined: April 2015; Offline

June 7, 2017 2:33 p.m.

Hmm, good question. The system settings don't make it any clearer. My current resolution setting is Default for Display. But this sheds a bit more light:

$ system_profiler SPDisplaysDataType | grep Resolution
Resolution: 2304 x 1440 Retina

MacTracker adds the following info:

Built-in Display 12-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit display with IPS technology
Pixel Density 226 ppi
Resolutions 2304-by-1440 (native), 1440 by 900, 1280 by 800, 1024 by 640

If I use the tool to capture a selection of the screen, the numbers in the bottom right corner of the screen are 1280x800. So I suppose that's indeed correct.


rvinluan: Staff; 1255 posts; Joined: July 2005; Offline

June 9, 2017 11:57 a.m.

Cool. That's enough information for me to go on. I'll see if I can reproduce this bug on my Mac.

Cheers,
Rob


Alinea: Member; 1 posts; Joined: Dec. 2016; Offline

Jan. 12, 2018 12:15 p.m.

Hi there;

I discovered this thread while trying to troubleshoot what sounds like a very similar annoying problem I'm having on an iMac + Wacom Intuous + Houdini. Namely, the middle-click functionality doesn't work; the value ladder flickers as mentioned here, and (depending on houdini version) I run into glitchiness or loss of functionality of the middle mouse click in the viewport. I tried downloading and installing the QT4 version of H16.5, and found that now my middle mouse pen button doesn't work at all in this version of Houdini.

I find this odd; I have H16.5 installed on an older macbook pro (with an older Wacom) and it's worked great for years. But I've experienced this problem on this particular mac with this particular tablet for over a year (I've upgraded the OS, the Wacom driver, and Houdini multiple times during that timeframe) and have never actually been able to use the pen because of this oddness.


Cyzor: Member; 181 posts; Joined: Feb. 2013; Offline

Jan. 12, 2018 4:56 p.m.

Yes, the ill-behaved middle mouse ladder menus you've described have been an ongoing problem. Particularly on MacOS with multiple monitors, it seems. Houdini windows on a secondary display (the one without the Dock and menubar) seem more prone to the issue.

But at the moment, everything seems to be harmonious with Houdini 16.5.330, Wacom driver 6.3.27-2, and MacOS 10.13.2.


benek: Member; 44 posts; Joined: Nov. 2017; Offline

March 26, 2018 1:34 a.m.

I've been getting this too, initially I thought it was a Wacom driver issue, but now I see it's not. I'm running two screens at different resolutions.

My Wacom driver is version 6.3.28-2
Houdini Indie version 16.5.378
Mac OS 10.12.6

The problem persists when setting MMB to a button on the Wacom pen AND when setting MMB to a key on the keyboard (via Karabiner-Elements), but seems to work fine when I set MMB to a side button on the tablet itself.

Any ideas on how to resolve this would be greatly appreciated…

Not sure whether this is related, but something I've also been getting a lot of is MMB or RMB getting stuck, like it gets stuck in a pressed position. Pressing buttons randomly or changing to another Wacom stylus can fix it. Seems to happen mostly when I switch to another app and back again.

Edited by benek - March 26, 2018 01:49:47

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