How to matte out with karma

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I want to matt out on a karma lop node, but there is no place to specify an object like mantra.

What should I do? ?

Is it an idea to output a mask or do a deep comp? ?
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Matte is one of the options on the karma geometry properties node.
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Matte is one of the options on the karma geometry properties node.

This works fine for Matte, any ideas on how to replicate the phantom workflow? I couldn't find an equivalent to go along with the isMatte property.
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Also on the renderGeometrysettings node
Shading Tab
RenderVisibility = -primary
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